Best golf movie ever? Caddyshack. Worst golf movie ever? Caddyshack 2
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Sports Illustrated from 2020: The Inside Story of Caddyshack II, One of the Worst Sequels in History
"It’s impossible to list all of the reasons why Caddyshack II doesn’t work. Arkush believes the chief culprit is that the film ended up as “The Jackie Mason Show,” which he says was a mistake. But it certainly doesn’t help that none of the other characters are remotely interesting either. The jokes are groaners (especially Aykroyd’s “suck out the poison” routine), and the original’s love of golf is nowhere to be found: Bushwood has been turned into a mini-golf eyesore that doesn’t even have a caddie shack. The movie’s idea of comedy is loading the soundtrack with horse fart sound effects and adding more gopher, who, in case you’ve had the good fortune not to see it, actually speaks. (It’s even more embarrassing than it sounds.) There’s nothing that comes close to the giddy genius of Murray’s improvised Dalai Lama and Cinderella story monologues; Chase’s Zen “be the ball” mantra; Dangerfield’s eye-rolling, “It looks good on you, though”; or Knight’s slow-burn outburst, “Well, we’re waiting!” It makes Major League II look like The Godfather II."
"It’s impossible to list all of the reasons why Caddyshack II doesn’t work. Arkush believes the chief culprit is that the film ended up as “The Jackie Mason Show,” which he says was a mistake. But it certainly doesn’t help that none of the other characters are remotely interesting either. The jokes are groaners (especially Aykroyd’s “suck out the poison” routine), and the original’s love of golf is nowhere to be found: Bushwood has been turned into a mini-golf eyesore that doesn’t even have a caddie shack. The movie’s idea of comedy is loading the soundtrack with horse fart sound effects and adding more gopher, who, in case you’ve had the good fortune not to see it, actually speaks. (It’s even more embarrassing than it sounds.) There’s nothing that comes close to the giddy genius of Murray’s improvised Dalai Lama and Cinderella story monologues; Chase’s Zen “be the ball” mantra; Dangerfield’s eye-rolling, “It looks good on you, though”; or Knight’s slow-burn outburst, “Well, we’re waiting!” It makes Major League II look like The Godfather II."
Watching it now and it’s even worse than I was led to believe. Dan Ackroyd and Randy Quaid are embarrassing as it gets. No chuckles to be found whatsoever.
posted by porn in the woods at 1:22 AM on March 15, 2022
posted by porn in the woods at 1:22 AM on March 15, 2022
Don't sell it short, it's a tremendous slouch.
posted by chavenet at 3:02 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by chavenet at 3:02 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
Worst sequel? Possibly, but there's some stiff competition: Speed 2, Wonder Woman 1984, Highlander II: The Quickening, Die Hard 4 (not the direct sequel, but I thought Die Hard 2 sucked, too), Mission: Impossible 2.
posted by zardoz at 4:25 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by zardoz at 4:25 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Growing up, Caddyshack was my Police Academy.
I saw Caddyshack II on broadcast television when I was twelve and I thought it was the funniest movie ever because it had a cute gopher puppet and all sorts of hilarious hijinks but also I was twelve and didn't know any better. At the time I had permission to walk down to the video rental store on the corner and rent whatever I wanted, so naturally I saw the original Caddyshack on the shelf and thought it was a safe choice for a twelve year old to rent....and the guy there rented it to me, and I learned that despite also having a cute gopher puppet which got into all sorts of hilarious hijinks, Caddyshack is also R-rated.
So, yeah.
I did eventually tell my parents that I had accidentally rented Caddyshack and they were cool and understood the mistake and I was still free to rent whatever terrible movies I wanted without any obvious supervision.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:39 AM on March 15, 2022 [5 favorites]
I saw Caddyshack II on broadcast television when I was twelve and I thought it was the funniest movie ever because it had a cute gopher puppet and all sorts of hilarious hijinks but also I was twelve and didn't know any better. At the time I had permission to walk down to the video rental store on the corner and rent whatever I wanted, so naturally I saw the original Caddyshack on the shelf and thought it was a safe choice for a twelve year old to rent....and the guy there rented it to me, and I learned that despite also having a cute gopher puppet which got into all sorts of hilarious hijinks, Caddyshack is also R-rated.
So, yeah.
I did eventually tell my parents that I had accidentally rented Caddyshack and they were cool and understood the mistake and I was still free to rent whatever terrible movies I wanted without any obvious supervision.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:39 AM on March 15, 2022 [5 favorites]
So it’s got that going for it.
Which is nice.
posted by pxe2000 at 5:50 AM on March 15, 2022 [6 favorites]
Which is nice.
posted by pxe2000 at 5:50 AM on March 15, 2022 [6 favorites]
I'm the first to admit my choices in movies weren't great back then. But it was also the summer I discovered The 'Burbs which is really underrated.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:54 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:54 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
Highlander II: The Quickening - I think this has to be the platonic ideal of bad sequel. If you're unfamiliar, it reimagines the immortals from the original as aliens from the planet "Zeist". (but yes, Caddyshack II is no slouch)
posted by condour75 at 6:10 AM on March 15, 2022 [9 favorites]
posted by condour75 at 6:10 AM on March 15, 2022 [9 favorites]
Highlander II: The Sequel So Bad that Its Sequel Just Pretended It Didn't Happen.
posted by jabah at 6:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by jabah at 6:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [6 favorites]
Thankfully, Kenny Loggins survived Caddyshack II with his theme song (Nobody's Fool), which peaked at #8 on the US Billboard Hot 100.
It may be the only successful thing to come out of this whole production, although it looks like Kenny had his hands tied on the lyrics.
posted by JoeZydeco at 7:06 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
It may be the only successful thing to come out of this whole production, although it looks like Kenny had his hands tied on the lyrics.
Back to the shack oh yeahHey! There's that tagline again!
Nothing suits me better than that
If time has taught me anything
Got to learn to be the ball
posted by JoeZydeco at 7:06 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Highlander II: There Should Have Been Only One.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 7:21 AM on March 15, 2022 [9 favorites]
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 7:21 AM on March 15, 2022 [9 favorites]
I haven't seen Caddyshack II but it does sound like flaming garbage (I was reminded from this post that the sequel even exists). A drop-in replacement for Bill Murray's iconic character with Dan Ackroyd has me already nopeing right outta there.
The bar I think Highlander II: The Quickening set is that it was a sequel that made the original worse. If this is the measure, I think it's the worst sequel of all time. Honorable mention using this criteria is The Matrix: Reloaded.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:39 AM on March 15, 2022
The bar I think Highlander II: The Quickening set is that it was a sequel that made the original worse. If this is the measure, I think it's the worst sequel of all time. Honorable mention using this criteria is The Matrix: Reloaded.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:39 AM on March 15, 2022
In the specific category of making the original worse, please also consider the second made-for-tv Ewok movie, which kills all of the family from the first movie besides the daughter, so they can make Heidi in space.
posted by condour75 at 7:48 AM on March 15, 2022
posted by condour75 at 7:48 AM on March 15, 2022
The original Caddyshack was a happy accident; a last-minute coke-fueled rewrite to focus on the "adults" and inspired coke-fueled improvisations kept it from being just a movie about, well, caddies. I imagine everyone at the studio figured they would fix this one in production too.
It's amazing how a drug that gave us The Blues Brothers and Popeye could also give us Caddyshack II and Popeye.
posted by credulous at 7:51 AM on March 15, 2022 [13 favorites]
It's amazing how a drug that gave us The Blues Brothers and Popeye could also give us Caddyshack II and Popeye.
posted by credulous at 7:51 AM on March 15, 2022 [13 favorites]
please also consider the second made-for-tv Ewok movie
there was a first?
posted by mcstayinskool at 8:06 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
there was a first?
posted by mcstayinskool at 8:06 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
All he knew was that he had been happily directing the hit TV show Moonlighting
Based on this statement alone, I would take everything that director says with a gallon of salt.
posted by Pretty Good Talker at 8:08 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Based on this statement alone, I would take everything that director says with a gallon of salt.
posted by Pretty Good Talker at 8:08 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
The article is kind of all over the place, just like the movie, or it is missing a lot of context:
It was hardly a Cinderella story upon its release. The critics were brutal, and the film struggled to find success at the box office. At least at first.
After the original ranked as one of 1980’s top-grossing comedies with nearly $40 million in earnings
How do these two sentences go together? It was 1980, VCRs were barely out, did it get a huge payout to appear on HBO or something? Is "at least at first" mean the first week it was in the theater, discounting all the other weeks? Because the infrastructure just wasn't there for a movie to be both a top grossing movie in 1980 that gets a sequel and a theater flop.
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:25 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
It was hardly a Cinderella story upon its release. The critics were brutal, and the film struggled to find success at the box office. At least at first.
After the original ranked as one of 1980’s top-grossing comedies with nearly $40 million in earnings
How do these two sentences go together? It was 1980, VCRs were barely out, did it get a huge payout to appear on HBO or something? Is "at least at first" mean the first week it was in the theater, discounting all the other weeks? Because the infrastructure just wasn't there for a movie to be both a top grossing movie in 1980 that gets a sequel and a theater flop.
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:25 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
Caddyshack is fascinating to me because I found out much after the fact that Chase and Murray hated each other; Chase because Murray replaced him on SNL and became an even bigger breakout star within a few years, and Murray because Chase is Chase. Here's an oral history of the first movie; they both downplay the friction between them, which supposedly nearly ended up with a fistfight when Chase came back to host SNL.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [4 favorites]
FWIW, if you want to watch Allan Arkush's directorial greatness, find a copy of 1984's "Get Crazy".
Trailer
(it's got Lee Ving -- and some other actors. And the Grateful Dead's Candace Brightman was hired as a lighting consultant)
posted by mikelieman at 8:53 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Trailer
(it's got Lee Ving -- and some other actors. And the Grateful Dead's Candace Brightman was hired as a lighting consultant)
posted by mikelieman at 8:53 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Look at the bright side. If Caddyshack 2 had somehow succeeded, it would've been followed by Caddyshack 3: The Dance Battle, Caddyshack 4: Golf in Da Hood, Caddies In Space, and eventually Caddyshack: The Quest for the Gopher's Golden Balls.
posted by delfin at 8:57 AM on March 15, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by delfin at 8:57 AM on March 15, 2022 [5 favorites]
Mad props for the post title.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:24 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:24 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
No thanks.
posted by firstdaffodils at 9:32 AM on March 15, 2022
posted by firstdaffodils at 9:32 AM on March 15, 2022
I vaguely remember watching part of Caddyshack 2 on cable way back when. Jackie Mason was just awful. Rodney Dangerfield was fantastic in the first, because— as the article points out—he connects with the viewer. His character is a horrible, nasty guy, but he's a subversive underdog who just happens to have a lot of money. He's a good-natured but boorish schlub who becomes a hero to the audience. I remember Jackie Mason as just being an a**hole.
Same with all the Animal House ripoffs. Animal House—for all its faults—remains one of my favorite films of all time. The Delta guys are stand-ins for the audience. Bluto is gross and disgusting, but only towards the Nazi-leaning antagonists. Bluto is not a good guy, but you're on Delta House's side through the whole thing because they're the underdogs. None of the Delta crew are "good" characters to some degree, but again, you're on their side. Take the execrable "Revenge of the Nerds" for example. They had a Bluto-type character going for the same gross-out laughs. But the character in RotN was just an a**hole that the audience (me) hated. It's like these ripoffs/sequels saw the first films and then tried to copy characters without considering where the audience's sympathy lies.
No interest in watching Caddyshack 2, but thanks for the post.
posted by SoberHighland at 9:55 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Same with all the Animal House ripoffs. Animal House—for all its faults—remains one of my favorite films of all time. The Delta guys are stand-ins for the audience. Bluto is gross and disgusting, but only towards the Nazi-leaning antagonists. Bluto is not a good guy, but you're on Delta House's side through the whole thing because they're the underdogs. None of the Delta crew are "good" characters to some degree, but again, you're on their side. Take the execrable "Revenge of the Nerds" for example. They had a Bluto-type character going for the same gross-out laughs. But the character in RotN was just an a**hole that the audience (me) hated. It's like these ripoffs/sequels saw the first films and then tried to copy characters without considering where the audience's sympathy lies.
No interest in watching Caddyshack 2, but thanks for the post.
posted by SoberHighland at 9:55 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Note that The Jerk, Too also exists -- a horrible sequel to a *good* movie that featured Jackie Mason (in a supporting role)
posted by credulous at 10:05 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by credulous at 10:05 AM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Caddyshack is fascinating to me because I found out much after the fact that Chase and Murray hated each other.--Halloween Jack
Yes, Ted Knight also hated Rodney Dangerfield (or at least his approach to acting):
Ted was trying to do his job and he's holding the script in his hand, and meanwhile Rodney is just running around saying whatever the heck popped into his head. Ted was really angry.
Fortunately the story called for Ted's character to hate Rodney's character, so his real anger came through and helped the story.
It is amazing that Caddyshack was Harold Ramis's first directing job, and he's got these actors who are new to acting (Rodney Dangerfield), or who hate each other, and yet he managed to make it work.
It is too bad the studio felt they had to do a sequel cash grab, which never ends well. (Sequels can work if there is the same effort, inspiration, talent, and investment put into it as was put into the original).
posted by eye of newt at 10:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Yes, Ted Knight also hated Rodney Dangerfield (or at least his approach to acting):
Ted was trying to do his job and he's holding the script in his hand, and meanwhile Rodney is just running around saying whatever the heck popped into his head. Ted was really angry.
Fortunately the story called for Ted's character to hate Rodney's character, so his real anger came through and helped the story.
It is amazing that Caddyshack was Harold Ramis's first directing job, and he's got these actors who are new to acting (Rodney Dangerfield), or who hate each other, and yet he managed to make it work.
It is too bad the studio felt they had to do a sequel cash grab, which never ends well. (Sequels can work if there is the same effort, inspiration, talent, and investment put into it as was put into the original).
posted by eye of newt at 10:37 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Worst sequel?
Cannonball Run II (trailer) is on the shortlist. Siskel and Ebert were not big fans.
Ebert: "You know, it's really sad, to me, what Burt Reynolds is doing with his career."
posted by box at 11:31 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Cannonball Run II (trailer) is on the shortlist. Siskel and Ebert were not big fans.
Ebert: "You know, it's really sad, to me, what Burt Reynolds is doing with his career."
posted by box at 11:31 AM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
The original Caddyshack script has some surprising differences from the actual dialogue:
* Ty explicitly references Star Wars in the scene where he gives Danny a blindfold
* Carl's character is "Ray" and in this monologue the Dalai Lama says "shit" instead of "gunga galunga" and it's not nearly as good
* Ty's "by my height" retort isn't there
* Neither is Carl's "if I kill all the golfers" line
* We first meet Al Czernak at dinner in the club instead of in the pro shop, most of his lines there are scripted
* Ty has semi-inspirational dialogue instead of "na na na na na" during the golf tricks sequence
* Danny and Lacey get high and make out near a waterfall and Danny turns into a bird
* The bishop's caddy is Tony, not Carl when he's struck by lightning
* Danny and Tony steal fish from the Mafia for some reason
* Most of the gopher stuff is omitted, Carl's boss sets off the explosions at the end of the movie
* At the end: Ty and Lacey hook up; Danny is supposed to go to Nebraska but follows a random girl to Jamaica instead
* Ty and Lacey's date isn't there, nor is the Ty/Carl meeting
* Some of these scenes were restored in the TV version
(Yes, I have better things to do, thanks for asking...)
posted by credulous at 11:42 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
* Ty explicitly references Star Wars in the scene where he gives Danny a blindfold
* Carl's character is "Ray" and in this monologue the Dalai Lama says "shit" instead of "gunga galunga" and it's not nearly as good
* Ty's "by my height" retort isn't there
* Neither is Carl's "if I kill all the golfers" line
* We first meet Al Czernak at dinner in the club instead of in the pro shop, most of his lines there are scripted
* Ty has semi-inspirational dialogue instead of "na na na na na" during the golf tricks sequence
* Danny and Lacey get high and make out near a waterfall and Danny turns into a bird
* The bishop's caddy is Tony, not Carl when he's struck by lightning
* Danny and Tony steal fish from the Mafia for some reason
* Most of the gopher stuff is omitted, Carl's boss sets off the explosions at the end of the movie
* At the end: Ty and Lacey hook up; Danny is supposed to go to Nebraska but follows a random girl to Jamaica instead
* Ty and Lacey's date isn't there, nor is the Ty/Carl meeting
* Some of these scenes were restored in the TV version
(Yes, I have better things to do, thanks for asking...)
posted by credulous at 11:42 AM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
Caddyshack II is not good. But it's a movie about a social outsider sticking it to a bunch of ruling-class assholes in order to build low-income housing, so it's not all bad either. ("Let me explain how the legal system really works...")
posted by Gerald Bostock at 12:12 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by Gerald Bostock at 12:12 PM on March 15, 2022
I can't remember my postal code but I can remember 11 years ago on this website when I proved with math that Caddyshack 2 is better and people weren't ready to accept the truth
Also, Caddyshack 2 has Dyan Cannon. Does Caddyshack have Dyan Cannon? No.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:20 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Also, Caddyshack 2 has Dyan Cannon. Does Caddyshack have Dyan Cannon? No.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:20 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
Didn’t Maggie end up with Tony in the original script, too?
posted by hwyengr at 12:37 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by hwyengr at 12:37 PM on March 15, 2022
Look at the bright side. If Caddyshack 2 had somehow succeeded, it would've been followed by Caddyshack 3: The Dance Battle, Caddyshack 4: Golf in Da Hood, Caddies In Space, and eventually Caddyshack: The Quest for the Gopher's Golden Balls.
I bet somewhere deep in the archives of Nelvana or DiC or Ruby-Spears there's some concept art for an animated Caddyshack series. It would seem to check all the boxes: big 1980s comedy with lots of 1980s stars playing zany archetypal characters, a cute animal mascot, a central conflict that's easily reduced to good guys/bad guys. Considering that we had animated series for Beetlejuice, Robocop, Ghostbusters*, Police Academy, and Rambo, it doesn't seem like it would have been too far out of line to have had this one.
* The Real Ghostbusters turned out awesome, but looking back it's still kind of weird that someone saw the original movie and thought "let's do this thing....but for kids!"
posted by RonButNotStupid at 12:38 PM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
I bet somewhere deep in the archives of Nelvana or DiC or Ruby-Spears there's some concept art for an animated Caddyshack series. It would seem to check all the boxes: big 1980s comedy with lots of 1980s stars playing zany archetypal characters, a cute animal mascot, a central conflict that's easily reduced to good guys/bad guys. Considering that we had animated series for Beetlejuice, Robocop, Ghostbusters*, Police Academy, and Rambo, it doesn't seem like it would have been too far out of line to have had this one.
* The Real Ghostbusters turned out awesome, but looking back it's still kind of weird that someone saw the original movie and thought "let's do this thing....but for kids!"
posted by RonButNotStupid at 12:38 PM on March 15, 2022 [2 favorites]
Worst sequel? Possibly, but there's some stiff competition: …
Blues Brothers 2000 :(
posted by mazola at 1:33 PM on March 15, 2022
Blues Brothers 2000 :(
posted by mazola at 1:33 PM on March 15, 2022
Oh, yeah, Blues Brothers 2000, Matrix Reloaded...so so many bad sequels.
posted by zardoz at 2:24 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by zardoz at 2:24 PM on March 15, 2022
animated series for Beetlejuice, Robocop, Ghostbusters*, Police Academy, and Rambo,
How on earth was I unaware of the Rambo cartoon? In the video, Rambo punches a guy into a chasm (cartoon death), runs cradling a tiny puppy terrier, feeds ducks, does doughnuts on a 4wheeler firing machine guns, fights a dominatrix with a cougar, picks up a cave leopard and non-nonchalantly throws it at a wall, blows up a robot version of the Loch Ness Monster, fights evil Santa Claus, befriends a dinosaur, fights a monkey-minotaur, fishes for a raccoon, fills a museum with bats, fights a machine-gun toting skeleton, rides a nuclear missile, flies a helicopter in a train/subway tunnel, falls off an airplane grabbing a random skydiver, fights a bunch of tanks by hand - in other words is T O T A L L Y A W E S O M E! in an '80s GI Joe/Transformers kind of way!
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:29 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
How on earth was I unaware of the Rambo cartoon? In the video, Rambo punches a guy into a chasm (cartoon death), runs cradling a tiny puppy terrier, feeds ducks, does doughnuts on a 4wheeler firing machine guns, fights a dominatrix with a cougar, picks up a cave leopard and non-nonchalantly throws it at a wall, blows up a robot version of the Loch Ness Monster, fights evil Santa Claus, befriends a dinosaur, fights a monkey-minotaur, fishes for a raccoon, fills a museum with bats, fights a machine-gun toting skeleton, rides a nuclear missile, flies a helicopter in a train/subway tunnel, falls off an airplane grabbing a random skydiver, fights a bunch of tanks by hand - in other words is T O T A L L Y A W E S O M E! in an '80s GI Joe/Transformers kind of way!
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:29 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
There was also (briefly) a Karate Kid cartoon. Spoiler alert, Mr. Miyagi strangles a crocodile.
posted by box at 2:37 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by box at 2:37 PM on March 15, 2022
Every time I hear about it, it blows my mind that, in an industry specifically made to cater to the whims of horrible people with talent -- particularly white men -- Chevy Chase was just too big of an asshole to last.
Note that The Jerk, Too also exists
Oh my God, I had no idea. A veritable Who's Who of Who's That. Martin signed off on it? Well, good banjos are expensive.
posted by Countess Elena at 5:26 PM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Note that The Jerk, Too also exists
Oh my God, I had no idea. A veritable Who's Who of Who's That. Martin signed off on it? Well, good banjos are expensive.
posted by Countess Elena at 5:26 PM on March 15, 2022 [3 favorites]
Blues Brothers 2000 had Joe Morton in it, so it cannot be in the bottom half of movies.
posted by BeeDo at 5:35 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by BeeDo at 5:35 PM on March 15, 2022
I never watched it. Does Highlander: The Animated Series count as a terrible Highlander sequel?
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:21 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:21 PM on March 15, 2022
Highlander II: We Said There Was Only One, And That They Had The Power to Essentially Create World Peace, but Hah, Jokes! There’s Tons of Em!
posted by Ghidorah at 6:35 PM on March 15, 2022
posted by Ghidorah at 6:35 PM on March 15, 2022
* The Real Ghostbusters turned out awesome, but looking back it's still kind of weird that someone saw the original movie and thought "let's do this thing....but for kids!"I think tonal discontinuity between an original film and its cartoon adaptation reached its apotheosis with Toxic Crusaders, the for kids version of The Toxic Avenger.
posted by Strutter Cane - United Planets Stilt Patrol at 7:38 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
And why no Caddyshack game? I mean, there was a Blues Brothers platformer and a Rambo text adventure. You just have to start with a golf sim and make it a little wacky. Certainly there would be a lot of cheating.
posted by credulous at 8:19 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by credulous at 8:19 PM on March 15, 2022 [1 favorite]
I was given, as a gift, the best puppet ever: the gopher from Caddyshack, holding a golf ball. You will not ruin this gift. I love it, it was given out of love... and, it. Says. NOTHING. It just shimmies to "I'm Alright".
STAR TREK I - horrible
STAR TREK II - almost the best movie, ever.
STAR TREK III - even worse than 1
STAR TREK IV - funny!
STAR TREK V - maybe worse than 1 & 3 combined.
So my hypothesis is that Star Trek series is the opposite of both Caddyshack and Beethoven's Symphonies.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation I - hilarious.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation II (European) - unwatchable.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation III (Christmas) - Haven't seen but I heard it's a classic.
What I didn't know is that it just kept going...
posted by not_on_display at 9:21 PM on March 15, 2022
STAR TREK I - horrible
STAR TREK II - almost the best movie, ever.
STAR TREK III - even worse than 1
STAR TREK IV - funny!
STAR TREK V - maybe worse than 1 & 3 combined.
So my hypothesis is that Star Trek series is the opposite of both Caddyshack and Beethoven's Symphonies.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation I - hilarious.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation II (European) - unwatchable.
Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation III (Christmas) - Haven't seen but I heard it's a classic.
What I didn't know is that it just kept going...
posted by not_on_display at 9:21 PM on March 15, 2022
In the video, Rambo ... fights a dominatrix with a cougar
See, if I'd had any inkling that the cartoon had a scene like that, I'd have watched.
STAR TREK III - even worse than 1
No. Not even close. Yes, I know about the even-odd rule, but the only thing that was really wrong with TSFS is that the ending was a foregone conclusion; Shatner said that it wasn't as if they'd all turn to the camera after 90 minutes and go, "Sorry, folks, couldn't find him." But the movie established the look and attributes of the new-style Klingons (after getting barely a taste in TMP); we also got a much better look at Vulcan than we did in the first movie; and Uhura got to do something actiony, for once.
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:06 AM on March 16, 2022 [1 favorite]
See, if I'd had any inkling that the cartoon had a scene like that, I'd have watched.
STAR TREK III - even worse than 1
No. Not even close. Yes, I know about the even-odd rule, but the only thing that was really wrong with TSFS is that the ending was a foregone conclusion; Shatner said that it wasn't as if they'd all turn to the camera after 90 minutes and go, "Sorry, folks, couldn't find him." But the movie established the look and attributes of the new-style Klingons (after getting barely a taste in TMP); we also got a much better look at Vulcan than we did in the first movie; and Uhura got to do something actiony, for once.
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:06 AM on March 16, 2022 [1 favorite]
people weren't ready to accept the truth
Your math is way off there.
Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack is way better than Jackie Mason in Caddyshack.
Ted Knight < Robert Stack. Ted Knight in Caddyshack is better than Robert Stack in Caddyshack.
A Lot of Kenny Loggins < Marginally Less Loggins = Kenny Loggins was the hero of movie soundtracks. He's an untouchable monster.
Chevy Chase = Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase until 1990 was putting out gems. Fletch, Caddyshack, Spies Like Us, the You can Call me Al music video, and National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. Then an immediate fall, but those are all worthy.
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:19 PM on March 16, 2022 [4 favorites]
Your math is way off there.
Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack is way better than Jackie Mason in Caddyshack.
Ted Knight < Robert Stack. Ted Knight in Caddyshack is better than Robert Stack in Caddyshack.
A Lot of Kenny Loggins < Marginally Less Loggins = Kenny Loggins was the hero of movie soundtracks. He's an untouchable monster.
Chevy Chase = Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase until 1990 was putting out gems. Fletch, Caddyshack, Spies Like Us, the You can Call me Al music video, and National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. Then an immediate fall, but those are all worthy.
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:19 PM on March 16, 2022 [4 favorites]
I remember Deal of the Century as temporarily dimming Chase's star, but I think the downslide began with his vanity project Memoirs of an Invisible Man, which had William Golden, Richard Donner, and finally John Carpenter attached, and effects by ILM, and now I must watch it tonight.
posted by credulous at 10:35 AM on March 18, 2022
posted by credulous at 10:35 AM on March 18, 2022
Allan Arkush:
"I should never have made this movie!! There was only one Caddy and no Shack. What was I thinking?"posted by Ashwagandha at 9:12 PM on March 28, 2022 [1 favorite]
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