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The Georgia Guidestones are a weird monument in Northeast Georgia built in 1980 with an odd ecofascist message. Nobody knows who exactly paid to have them built. Recently, they have been a target of QAnoners, including minor, unsuccessful candidate for Georgia Governor, Kandiss Taylor, who called them "Satanic" and included plans to destroy them in her platform. Last night, someone attempted to blow them up, with partial success.
Previously featured on Atlas Obscura and Smithsonian Magazine, the message is engraved in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian.
“There really is another dimension ... this is not make-believe, if you read the Bible.”
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Previously featured on Atlas Obscura and Smithsonian Magazine, the message is engraved in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian.
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.The (unexploded) Georgia Guidestones previously on Metafilter:
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
“There really is another dimension ... this is not make-believe, if you read the Bible.”
American Stonehenge
Out There Radio
On the boundary of the real and the fantastic
“God is God all by Himself. He can do ANYTHING He wants to do. That includes striking down Satanic Guidestones,” she wrote.
God’s previously recorded actions have not included a reliance on explosives.
posted by GenjiandProust at 11:41 AM on July 6, 2022 [25 favorites]
God’s previously recorded actions have not included a reliance on explosives.
posted by GenjiandProust at 11:41 AM on July 6, 2022 [25 favorites]
“God is God all by Himself. He can do ANYTHING He wants to do. That includes striking down Satanic Guidestones,”
One imagines that if God did it all by Himself, he would have been a bit more thorough. I suspect God had a little help on this one, help that didn't do quite as good a job as He would have.
The moral: if you want Satanic Guidestones struck down right, you have strike them down yourself.
posted by Naberius at 11:42 AM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
One imagines that if God did it all by Himself, he would have been a bit more thorough. I suspect God had a little help on this one, help that didn't do quite as good a job as He would have.
The moral: if you want Satanic Guidestones struck down right, you have strike them down yourself.
posted by Naberius at 11:42 AM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
hey were very likely paid for by Herbert Kersten, a doctor from Iowa and fan of white supremacist David Duke, which puts a darker spin on the already very questionable first two tenets of the guidestones
....You know, I was getting set to get pissed off about the Guidestones getting blown up ("it's a cool weird artifact that has some good advice what the hell") until I saw this comment. Thank you, seriously.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:48 AM on July 6, 2022 [20 favorites]
....You know, I was getting set to get pissed off about the Guidestones getting blown up ("it's a cool weird artifact that has some good advice what the hell") until I saw this comment. Thank you, seriously.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:48 AM on July 6, 2022 [20 favorites]
God is God all by Himself. He can do ANYTHING He wants to do.
I heard that there wasthis ninja God who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja God killed the whole town.
posted by SPrintF at 11:50 AM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
I heard that there was
posted by SPrintF at 11:50 AM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
I visited them maybe a decade ago and remember multiple signs in the parking lot saying the area was under video surveillance... so it'll be good to see grainy video footage of God planting the explosives.
posted by peeedro at 11:54 AM on July 6, 2022 [24 favorites]
posted by peeedro at 11:54 AM on July 6, 2022 [24 favorites]
good messages can come from bad people. that's the price they pay for vagueness.
posted by Clowder of bats at 11:59 AM on July 6, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by Clowder of bats at 11:59 AM on July 6, 2022 [4 favorites]
Moses: Hear me! Hear me! All pay heed! The Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...
[drops one of the tablets]
Moses: Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:05 PM on July 6, 2022 [20 favorites]
[drops one of the tablets]
Moses: Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:05 PM on July 6, 2022 [20 favorites]
It must be, in a way, sort of comforting to live in a world where everything you like is righteous and true, and everything you dislike or are even mildly confused by is automatically SATANIC by definition
posted by ook at 12:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [33 favorites]
posted by ook at 12:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [33 favorites]
For those who don't speak ecofascist:
"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."
The global population was 4.5 billion in 1980 when this monument was built. They are calling for the deaths of 90% of earth's population so as to be "in perpetual balance with nature". Which 90%?....
"Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity."
That's just straight up eugenics, so we can assume the 90% they wanted dead is exactly who we had already guessed it probably was.
posted by hydropsyche at 12:12 PM on July 6, 2022 [60 favorites]
"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."
The global population was 4.5 billion in 1980 when this monument was built. They are calling for the deaths of 90% of earth's population so as to be "in perpetual balance with nature". Which 90%?....
"Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity."
That's just straight up eugenics, so we can assume the 90% they wanted dead is exactly who we had already guessed it probably was.
posted by hydropsyche at 12:12 PM on July 6, 2022 [60 favorites]
They are calling for the deaths of 90% of earth's population so as to be "in perpetual balance with nature".
To be fair on this point, these were built with the intention of being advice for the survivors who were nuked back into the stone age.
The other part is pretty eugenicist, though.
posted by charred husk at 12:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [15 favorites]
To be fair on this point, these were built with the intention of being advice for the survivors who were nuked back into the stone age.
The other part is pretty eugenicist, though.
posted by charred husk at 12:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [15 favorites]
Q-Anon Christian fundamentalist vs. Eco-fascist eye-sore... man, that is a tough call.
posted by Saxon Kane at 12:30 PM on July 6, 2022 [24 favorites]
posted by Saxon Kane at 12:30 PM on July 6, 2022 [24 favorites]
I had no idea those rocks have been there since 1980, I thought they were a lot more recent than that.
Also maybe refrain from calling them "guidestones" as that lends them undeserved legitimacy as anything more than some stupid eugenic rocks.
posted by loquacious at 12:31 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
Also maybe refrain from calling them "guidestones" as that lends them undeserved legitimacy as anything more than some stupid eugenic rocks.
posted by loquacious at 12:31 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. "
posted by lalochezia at 12:32 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
posted by lalochezia at 12:32 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
The Guidestone tenets look pretty reasonable to me. That must be why Q opposes them.
posted by Liquidwolf at 12:41 PM on July 6, 2022
posted by Liquidwolf at 12:41 PM on July 6, 2022
I didn't know these existed, so when I saw a brief mention in passing this morning of a weird henge getting blown up I really couldn't tell if it was an actual thing that happened or just some weird shitposting. Some real Poe's Law energy manifesting all around.
posted by cortex at 12:41 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by cortex at 12:41 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
I assume Ted Turner was behind the Guidestones. It's not far from his home base in Atlanta, built right when he was becoming a media mogul, and fit his particular internationalist/environmentalist politics (funding an alternative to the Olympics, donating to the UN, Captain Planet).
posted by riruro at 12:44 PM on July 6, 2022
posted by riruro at 12:44 PM on July 6, 2022
I assume Ted Turner was behind the Guidestones.
Except that their creator was outed as an Ohio doctor and white nationalist.
posted by NoxAeternum at 12:46 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
Except that their creator was outed as an Ohio doctor and white nationalist.
posted by NoxAeternum at 12:46 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
I thought they were Ted Turner's also. I had liked them, but if they were white nationalist, then, well, I guess I just hope whoever it was lost an eye or something. The stones and the Trumpists deserve each other.
posted by Countess Elena at 1:02 PM on July 6, 2022
posted by Countess Elena at 1:02 PM on July 6, 2022
Except that their creator was outed as an Ohio doctor and white nationalist.
I find this deeply sad. I had heard about the structure about a decade ago, and I had thought it was just a bit of weird whimsy dropped into an incongruous rural area. I guess not though. Milkshake Enigma?
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:10 PM on July 6, 2022 [12 favorites]
I find this deeply sad. I had heard about the structure about a decade ago, and I had thought it was just a bit of weird whimsy dropped into an incongruous rural area. I guess not though. Milkshake Enigma?
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:10 PM on July 6, 2022 [12 favorites]
I live not far from the Guidestones and have been there a couple of times (Honestly, once you’ve seen them, you’ve seen them. There are other interesting day trips in the area.) A lot of the advice seems reasonable, but I had noticed the eugenic leaning tone of some of it as well. Based on extensive googling I assumed they were built by the Rosicrucians but apparently need to learn more. I can’t believe I missed John Oliver talking about something I am actually familiar with! I was always kind of fond of them because they pissed off the right people, but may need to rethink that. And if they really were commissioned by a racist white nationalist that might explain why some of the folks in Elberton (not really close to Atlanta; much closer to the state park dedicated to the VP of the rebellious slavers) were accepting of it. This is an interesting story on many levels; too bad there are so many other things overwhelming it.
posted by TedW at 1:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by TedW at 1:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
The idea that overpopulation is a problem and that the human population in Earth is currently beyond its safe carrying capacity for both human and nonhuman life is not exactly unique to ecofascists, plenty of mainstream environmentalists think that as well. This conflation has happened a lot recently whenever the concept of overpopulation as a problem comes up on MetaFilter, but they're definitely not the same thing.
For example, Population Connection is a progressive environmental advocacy group that focuses on promoting education about population issues, women's rights, reproductive choice, and environmental ethics as a strategy for addressing overpopulation and its effects on the environment and human wellbeing. They've been around for decades and as far as I know have never advocated murdering anyone. There's nothing fascist about their ideology or methods.
The Guiding Stones clearly have a eugenicist message, and it seems the guy who put them up is indeed a white supremacist. I don't know whether I'd necessarily characterize their (explicit) message as ecofascist, but it's certainly a fair interpretation given what's come out about the person who put them up. But the idea that a more desirable stable population is smaller than the current population doesn't imply that anybody should be killed, and certainly isn't a uniquely ecofascist idea.
posted by biogeo at 1:21 PM on July 6, 2022 [13 favorites]
For example, Population Connection is a progressive environmental advocacy group that focuses on promoting education about population issues, women's rights, reproductive choice, and environmental ethics as a strategy for addressing overpopulation and its effects on the environment and human wellbeing. They've been around for decades and as far as I know have never advocated murdering anyone. There's nothing fascist about their ideology or methods.
The Guiding Stones clearly have a eugenicist message, and it seems the guy who put them up is indeed a white supremacist. I don't know whether I'd necessarily characterize their (explicit) message as ecofascist, but it's certainly a fair interpretation given what's come out about the person who put them up. But the idea that a more desirable stable population is smaller than the current population doesn't imply that anybody should be killed, and certainly isn't a uniquely ecofascist idea.
posted by biogeo at 1:21 PM on July 6, 2022 [13 favorites]
racist white nationalist
The Department of Redundancy Department.
posted by Splunge at 1:22 PM on July 6, 2022 [10 favorites]
The Department of Redundancy Department.
posted by Splunge at 1:22 PM on July 6, 2022 [10 favorites]
Whatever you might think of the monument itself, the fact that "mainstream" political candidates can rile these people up in a call to arms to literally go blow something up is a massive, waving, glowing red flag. What happens when the next thing they decide is "satanic" is a public building, or an election official?
posted by Zargon X at 1:35 PM on July 6, 2022 [58 favorites]
posted by Zargon X at 1:35 PM on July 6, 2022 [58 favorites]
People who have seen the original British version of the television show Utopia will understand why I mention that program here, as well as what a shame it was that Amazon buried it with a wildly inferior US version that got cancelled early.
And if you don't know that show, and you like bleak conspiracy-ish stuff, it's like two seasons of a show about the kind of people who might have put up stones like this.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 1:47 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
And if you don't know that show, and you like bleak conspiracy-ish stuff, it's like two seasons of a show about the kind of people who might have put up stones like this.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 1:47 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
I find this deeply sad.
I want to expand on this a little. I used to be a big fan of conspiracy theories, especially the more historical ones. They were weird and obviously wrong and way too convoluted and a window into a deeply alien worldview. Then I began to notice how often they would suddenly veer into "the Jews did it," and it became less fun and then utterly repellent. And it still grieves me, because a little bit of pleasure I found in a weird corner of the human experience turned out to be poisoned. Every time a mystery turns out to be a front for fascism or bigotry or, hell, just a viral marketing campaign feels like another blow. I mean, not the worst blow even this month, but, still....
I guess we can hope the next group of cultists who try to blow it up bring chunks down on themselves. That would feel like some sort of justice for long ago me.
posted by GenjiandProust at 2:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [27 favorites]
I want to expand on this a little. I used to be a big fan of conspiracy theories, especially the more historical ones. They were weird and obviously wrong and way too convoluted and a window into a deeply alien worldview. Then I began to notice how often they would suddenly veer into "the Jews did it," and it became less fun and then utterly repellent. And it still grieves me, because a little bit of pleasure I found in a weird corner of the human experience turned out to be poisoned. Every time a mystery turns out to be a front for fascism or bigotry or, hell, just a viral marketing campaign feels like another blow. I mean, not the worst blow even this month, but, still....
I guess we can hope the next group of cultists who try to blow it up bring chunks down on themselves. That would feel like some sort of justice for long ago me.
posted by GenjiandProust at 2:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [27 favorites]
Whatever you might think of the monument itself, the fact that "mainstream" political candidates can rile these people up in a call to arms to literally go blow something up is a massive, waving, glowing red flag.
On Facebook (so yes, not necessarily the best source) the Guidestones are generally being mourned by liberals who, like me, are not necessarily knowledgable of their origins. To which the usual suspects are responding with false equivalence arguments regarding this incident and taking down confederate statues.
posted by TedW at 2:30 PM on July 6, 2022 [3 favorites]
On Facebook (so yes, not necessarily the best source) the Guidestones are generally being mourned by liberals who, like me, are not necessarily knowledgable of their origins. To which the usual suspects are responding with false equivalence arguments regarding this incident and taking down confederate statues.
posted by TedW at 2:30 PM on July 6, 2022 [3 favorites]
What happens when the next thing they decide is "satanic" is a public building, or an election official?
I doubt we'll have to wait long to find that one out. And I'm pretty sure what happens won't come as a surprise.
posted by tclark at 2:40 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
I doubt we'll have to wait long to find that one out. And I'm pretty sure what happens won't come as a surprise.
posted by tclark at 2:40 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
a massive, waving, glowing red flag.
That flag's been glowing since Pizzagate.
posted by dnash at 2:42 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
That flag's been glowing since Pizzagate.
posted by dnash at 2:42 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
Well if they want to blow something up so bad well at least they picked an excellent target.
But do you want them to get a taste for blowing things up? No I don't think that'd be prudent.
posted by bleep at 3:25 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
But do you want them to get a taste for blowing things up? No I don't think that'd be prudent.
posted by bleep at 3:25 PM on July 6, 2022 [8 favorites]
The cultural stories have prepared me to understand that when bad guys are around doing bad guy things that means you might have to do things you don't want to do and in that case not letting them blow up something that you yourself want to blow up is one of those things.
Of course when I say "let" of course I will let them because I can't stop them.
Personally regarding is it eugenesist my feeling is that historically humans get better results with focusing on cultivating and sharing abundance than they do with focusing on scarcity and creating austerity. Who is having how many kids and how valuable are they is just never a good path to follow.
posted by bleep at 3:39 PM on July 6, 2022 [9 favorites]
Of course when I say "let" of course I will let them because I can't stop them.
Personally regarding is it eugenesist my feeling is that historically humans get better results with focusing on cultivating and sharing abundance than they do with focusing on scarcity and creating austerity. Who is having how many kids and how valuable are they is just never a good path to follow.
posted by bleep at 3:39 PM on July 6, 2022 [9 favorites]
Brad Meltzer on the Guidestones.
"....One question that has remained throughout our investigation of the Georgia Guidestones—why Georgia?"
posted by clavdivs at 4:05 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
"....One question that has remained throughout our investigation of the Georgia Guidestones—why Georgia?"
posted by clavdivs at 4:05 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
Updates:
Georgia Guidestones demolished after bombing damages mysterious monument
GBI releases surveillance videos of explosion at Georgia Guidestones, car speeding away
posted by hydropsyche at 4:06 PM on July 6, 2022 [4 favorites]
Georgia Guidestones demolished after bombing damages mysterious monument
GBI releases surveillance videos of explosion at Georgia Guidestones, car speeding away
posted by hydropsyche at 4:06 PM on July 6, 2022 [4 favorites]
(so it wasn't God, unless They were driving a car)
posted by hydropsyche at 4:06 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by hydropsyche at 4:06 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
(so it wasn't God, unless They were driving a car)
possibly relevant
posted by gimonca at 4:32 PM on July 6, 2022 [16 favorites]
possibly relevant
posted by gimonca at 4:32 PM on July 6, 2022 [16 favorites]
Has anyone checked to make sure Dutchie is unharmed??
posted by Hey Dean Yeager! at 5:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Hey Dean Yeager! at 5:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
W/r/t divine explosives there’s biblical evidence of God actually manifesting himself with incendiaries, so I don’t know why explosives would be new (1 Kings 20, where Elijah challenges the prophets of Baal to a ignition/explosion God-contest)
Then you call on the name of your god and I will call on the name of the Lord; the god who answers by fire is indeed God.’posted by Fiasco da Gama at 5:57 PM on July 6, 2022 [3 favorites]
(so it wasn't God, unless They were driving a car)
Jesus, take the wheel.
posted by peeedro at 6:13 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
Jesus, take the wheel.
posted by peeedro at 6:13 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
Has anyone checked to make sure Dutchie is unharmed??
He's slightly singed, but only on the left hand side.
posted by zamboni at 7:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [18 favorites]
He's slightly singed, but only on the left hand side.
posted by zamboni at 7:09 PM on July 6, 2022 [18 favorites]
Wow, all these years, I thought they were just kinda boring and overhyped. But now, learning of their true origins, I’m feeling justified in my disdain. Good riddance, you crummy old slabs o’ white nationalism.
(TedW is right - there’s way better stuff in the area than these rocks ever were anyway.)
posted by moonbeam at 8:14 PM on July 6, 2022
(TedW is right - there’s way better stuff in the area than these rocks ever were anyway.)
posted by moonbeam at 8:14 PM on July 6, 2022
The US has had strict controls over explosives since the Explosives Act of 1917. Everyone knows bombs are devastating, but it's extremely hard to get commercial explosives in the US. That's why there's so many improvised explosives: the Unabomber, the bombs at Columbine, the pressure cooker bombs in Boston, the RV bomb in Nashville, the bombs in DC on Jan 6th, etc. All deadly or potentially deadly, but severely limited by the availability of explosives.
It's insane that the ATF is allowing binary high explosives like Tannerite to be freely sold. Like bump stocks, it's a dumb interpretation of the law that allows mass murder on an unprecedented scale. I don't care one way or the other about the (former) guidestones, but this attack is seriously f'ed up and needs the harshest possible law enforcement response. If you think AR-15's are scary, wait until the terrorists add high explosives.
posted by netowl at 8:16 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
It's insane that the ATF is allowing binary high explosives like Tannerite to be freely sold. Like bump stocks, it's a dumb interpretation of the law that allows mass murder on an unprecedented scale. I don't care one way or the other about the (former) guidestones, but this attack is seriously f'ed up and needs the harshest possible law enforcement response. If you think AR-15's are scary, wait until the terrorists add high explosives.
posted by netowl at 8:16 PM on July 6, 2022 [7 favorites]
(so it wasn't God, unless They were driving a car)
shoulda...hailed a taxi cab
All deadly or potentially deadly, but severely limited by the availability of explosives.
Americas worst school massacre was committed with explosives.
posted by clavdivs at 8:31 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
shoulda...hailed a taxi cab
All deadly or potentially deadly, but severely limited by the availability of explosives.
Americas worst school massacre was committed with explosives.
posted by clavdivs at 8:31 PM on July 6, 2022 [5 favorites]
Americas worst school massacre was committed with explosives.
That's a great illustration. The 1927 Bath School massacre was one guy with a bunch of explosives, mostly purchased but some stolen, as even then you couldn't just buy a truckload of dynamite without question. Firearms had no national regulation at all: he could have bought machine guns through mail-order. The fact that this is the worst, despite everything since then, shows how bad things would get with readily available commercial explosives.
Somebody attacked this monument with explosives with enough power (mass+brisance) to blow apart a granite slab over a foot-and-a-half thick in the shortest dimension. This wasn't a pipe bomb, this was a sizable high explosive. Maybe they fabricated Semtex in a secret underground lab, but most likely they just bought a bunch of Tannerite.
posted by netowl at 9:21 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
That's a great illustration. The 1927 Bath School massacre was one guy with a bunch of explosives, mostly purchased but some stolen, as even then you couldn't just buy a truckload of dynamite without question. Firearms had no national regulation at all: he could have bought machine guns through mail-order. The fact that this is the worst, despite everything since then, shows how bad things would get with readily available commercial explosives.
Somebody attacked this monument with explosives with enough power (mass+brisance) to blow apart a granite slab over a foot-and-a-half thick in the shortest dimension. This wasn't a pipe bomb, this was a sizable high explosive. Maybe they fabricated Semtex in a secret underground lab, but most likely they just bought a bunch of Tannerite.
posted by netowl at 9:21 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
Georgia Guidestones demolished after bombing damages mysterious monument
Is it not fishy that they just demolished the evidence not even a day after the bombing happened? I mean it was rocks in a field, couldn't the area have been cordoned off so a thorough investigation could be done? Also, maybe I am becoming a conspiracy theorist myself, but since when does the government act that fast in doing anything? I'm suspicious.
posted by Literaryhero at 9:29 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
Is it not fishy that they just demolished the evidence not even a day after the bombing happened? I mean it was rocks in a field, couldn't the area have been cordoned off so a thorough investigation could be done? Also, maybe I am becoming a conspiracy theorist myself, but since when does the government act that fast in doing anything? I'm suspicious.
posted by Literaryhero at 9:29 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
I watched the John Oliver video linked above, but I don't see where it proves the monument was built by a white supremacist.
posted by riruro at 9:48 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by riruro at 9:48 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
I mean there's a part where they talk about how the architect was tricked into revealing who commissioned then to build it. It could be a double bluff or whatever but I think you'd need some reason to think that.
posted by Carillon at 9:53 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by Carillon at 9:53 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
Last night, someone attempted to blow them up, with partial success.
I assume that 'someone' means 'a white person' because otherwise this would be correctly labelled as an act of terrorism.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 10:37 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
I assume that 'someone' means 'a white person' because otherwise this would be correctly labelled as an act of terrorism.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 10:37 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
Monument to eugenics or not, it is extremely alarming that the prime suspects appear to be christian fundamentalists.
posted by adept256 at 10:43 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by adept256 at 10:43 PM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]
And I guess I can't fast-travel to Georgia now.
Side quests sucked anyway.
posted by adept256 at 10:47 PM on July 6, 2022 [11 favorites]
Side quests sucked anyway.
posted by adept256 at 10:47 PM on July 6, 2022 [11 favorites]
Monument to eugenics or not, it is extremely alarming that the prime suspects appear to be christian fundamentalists.
Yes, as much as I have no conceptual problems with destroying these specific white supremacist eco-fascist things, I do have a problem with christian fascists blowing up things they don't like. It starts with eugenics rocks, but it will progress to gay clubs, drag queen story time, mosques, abortion clinics...
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 11:11 PM on July 6, 2022 [10 favorites]
Yes, as much as I have no conceptual problems with destroying these specific white supremacist eco-fascist things, I do have a problem with christian fascists blowing up things they don't like. It starts with eugenics rocks, but it will progress to gay clubs, drag queen story time, mosques, abortion clinics...
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 11:11 PM on July 6, 2022 [10 favorites]
Relevant: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4198
posted by lordrunningclam at 5:46 AM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by lordrunningclam at 5:46 AM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
That flag's been glowing since Pizzagate.
Some would say even earlier.
posted by TedW at 6:39 AM on July 7, 2022
Some would say even earlier.
posted by TedW at 6:39 AM on July 7, 2022
They are calling for the deaths of 90% of earth's population so as to be "in perpetual balance with nature". Which 90%?
As a person who absolutely agrees that humanity would have a far easier time of not fucking up our planet if we managed to find a just and humane way to achieve maintaining a global population closer to half a billion than ten, I'm not calling for the deaths of 90% of humanity.
We're all going to die anyway, so there's no point in any such call. And I fully support the right of everybody who is alive right now to do their best to put off that inevitability for as long as they want.
What I would like to see is people being conceived at a much lower rate.
posted by flabdablet at 9:04 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
As a person who absolutely agrees that humanity would have a far easier time of not fucking up our planet if we managed to find a just and humane way to achieve maintaining a global population closer to half a billion than ten, I'm not calling for the deaths of 90% of humanity.
We're all going to die anyway, so there's no point in any such call. And I fully support the right of everybody who is alive right now to do their best to put off that inevitability for as long as they want.
What I would like to see is people being conceived at a much lower rate.
posted by flabdablet at 9:04 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
"we need to lower birth rates" is just as much a white supremacy dog whistle, and also a pat answer that ignores consumption
posted by sagc at 9:12 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by sagc at 9:12 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
It has to be at least a bit more complicated than being a white supremacist monument though, when the languages are “English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian”. That’s assuming a good chance that the rebuilders will be a wide cross section of Americans.
Was it a case of the funds coming from an asshole, but the interpretation made something better? Thomas Jefferson springs to mind.
posted by BeeDo at 9:14 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
Was it a case of the funds coming from an asshole, but the interpretation made something better? Thomas Jefferson springs to mind.
posted by BeeDo at 9:14 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
Really, a cross section of the world, but even after the apocalypse who would want to come to Georgia? (Just kidding, I love you Atlanta)
posted by BeeDo at 9:16 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by BeeDo at 9:16 AM on July 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
There's just certain things that are too dangerous, and policing how people choose to satisfy their biological instincts (eating, worshiping, reproducing, migrating) only leads to bad things.
posted by bleep at 9:24 AM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by bleep at 9:24 AM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
"we need to lower birth rates" is just as much a white supremacy dog whistle, and also a pat answer that ignores consumption
Kind of depends where and why the birth rates get lowered.
Personally I am in favour of linking consumption with conception, so that it becomes a social norm for people who live in the cultures with the largest per-capita ecological footprints to conceive the fewest children.
This already happens to some extent, in that national birthrates are already negatively correlated with national wealth. I would like to see that correlation strengthened via awareness and education. I would also like to see the colonial and ex-colonial structures that perpetuate the conditions denying genuine reproductive choice dismantled and superseded.
policing how people choose to satisfy their biological instincts (eating, worshiping, reproducing, migrating) only leads to bad things.
I fully agree. The only just and humane way to get the birth rate down is to create social, economic, education and cultural conditions that a fair and just enough that most people simply want to make no more children than the ecology will sustain. Personally I've chosen to conceive none at all, exactly because I already live in such conditions.
If we can get it so that people stop seeing children as extensions of themselves and/or their own egos, and start thinking of them as autonomous junior members of a much larger extended family within which everybody shares some degree of responsibility for their welfare and upbringing, so much the better.
posted by flabdablet at 9:43 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
Kind of depends where and why the birth rates get lowered.
Personally I am in favour of linking consumption with conception, so that it becomes a social norm for people who live in the cultures with the largest per-capita ecological footprints to conceive the fewest children.
This already happens to some extent, in that national birthrates are already negatively correlated with national wealth. I would like to see that correlation strengthened via awareness and education. I would also like to see the colonial and ex-colonial structures that perpetuate the conditions denying genuine reproductive choice dismantled and superseded.
policing how people choose to satisfy their biological instincts (eating, worshiping, reproducing, migrating) only leads to bad things.
I fully agree. The only just and humane way to get the birth rate down is to create social, economic, education and cultural conditions that a fair and just enough that most people simply want to make no more children than the ecology will sustain. Personally I've chosen to conceive none at all, exactly because I already live in such conditions.
If we can get it so that people stop seeing children as extensions of themselves and/or their own egos, and start thinking of them as autonomous junior members of a much larger extended family within which everybody shares some degree of responsibility for their welfare and upbringing, so much the better.
posted by flabdablet at 9:43 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
There's a reason why "increase women's human rights" is like the #2 suggestion for limiting climate change. Choosing not to have children can be a rational choice and it's a choice a lot of women make when they are able to.
But I can believe that this monument, which on the surface seems to align with my values, could have been paid for by a white nationalist. That Christian fundamentalists are taking issue with something that seems like it was written in a purposefully vague and universalist way so as to not twig on anyone's radar really does show how unhinged they've gotten.
Or, it's choosing a target the other side won't defend, on purpose, as a kind of test balloon. If you want to take a really dark and conspiracist view of what's going on.
posted by subdee at 9:50 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
But I can believe that this monument, which on the surface seems to align with my values, could have been paid for by a white nationalist. That Christian fundamentalists are taking issue with something that seems like it was written in a purposefully vague and universalist way so as to not twig on anyone's radar really does show how unhinged they've gotten.
Or, it's choosing a target the other side won't defend, on purpose, as a kind of test balloon. If you want to take a really dark and conspiracist view of what's going on.
posted by subdee at 9:50 AM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
I'm not sure it counts as a conspiracy once Alex Jones is howling it from the rooftops.
posted by flabdablet at 9:58 AM on July 7, 2022
posted by flabdablet at 9:58 AM on July 7, 2022
Maybe they fabricated Semtex in a secret underground lab, but most likely they just bought a bunch of Tannerite.
I'm fascinated by how domestic terrorists are such slaves to fashion in their choice of weapons and targets. I mean there are several easily made, if dangerous to super dangerous to have sitting around, explosives/explosive devices that could be used to blow things up or injure kill people (like pressure cookers are available in every housewares store, you can buy gun powder by the pound and nitrogen triiodide can be made with ammonia and iodine) and yet in a nation that has a mass shooting every 36 hours there are few people killed by bombs.
Or even with common hunting rifles the US has only had a single sniper team project terror in an on going manner in my recollection. IE John Muhammad and Lee Malvo the beltway snipers. There isn't any particular reason a lone sniper couldn't terrorize the nation for months if they were careful yet that essentially never happens.
posted by Mitheral at 10:29 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
I'm fascinated by how domestic terrorists are such slaves to fashion in their choice of weapons and targets. I mean there are several easily made, if dangerous to super dangerous to have sitting around, explosives/explosive devices that could be used to blow things up or injure kill people (like pressure cookers are available in every housewares store, you can buy gun powder by the pound and nitrogen triiodide can be made with ammonia and iodine) and yet in a nation that has a mass shooting every 36 hours there are few people killed by bombs.
Or even with common hunting rifles the US has only had a single sniper team project terror in an on going manner in my recollection. IE John Muhammad and Lee Malvo the beltway snipers. There isn't any particular reason a lone sniper couldn't terrorize the nation for months if they were careful yet that essentially never happens.
posted by Mitheral at 10:29 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
^ are such musings distasteful to any degree?
I mean, you add a comment like it's a curiosity "hmm, weird there haven't been more bombs and snipers"
check your watch, keep the news on.. oh, and the dead bodies that result.
posted by elkevelvet at 11:10 AM on July 7, 2022
I mean, you add a comment like it's a curiosity "hmm, weird there haven't been more bombs and snipers"
check your watch, keep the news on.. oh, and the dead bodies that result.
posted by elkevelvet at 11:10 AM on July 7, 2022
Believe it or not, even Good Hearted Liberals can harbor ideas and support policies that can immiserate, displace—even lead to widescale human atrocity. (From a US perspective, the latter half of the 20th century is awash in examples of this kind of neoliberal collateral damage.) In general, when the thrust of anyone's proposed solution to the problems of hunger and climate disaster is Population Control rather than wealth redistribution and renewable energy, it should set off alarm bells. (It's especially illuminating when you look into the history of some of these organizations with regard to, for example, immigration policy.)
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:52 PM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:52 PM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
"we need to lower birth rates" is just as much a white supremacy dog whistle,
Only if you want it to be.
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:07 PM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
In general, when the thrust of anyone's proposed solution to the problems of hunger and climate disaster is Population Control rather than wealth redistribution and renewable energy, it should set off alarm bells.
Population self-control is only ever going to make sense once we're past the current climate emergency and into the long, long ecological repair phase. And if we keep squibbing our response to the climate emergency and let it get even more badly out of hand than it already is, the hypothetical question of which 90% ought to die first is going to be completely moot because there will come global ecological collapse and deaths on a scale never seen before in the multicellular community.
But be that as it may: I can't see any way to sustainable population self-control except via equitable wealth distribution and 100% renewable energy, so I don't see these aims as in any way opposed.
posted by flabdablet at 1:13 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Population self-control is only ever going to make sense once we're past the current climate emergency and into the long, long ecological repair phase. And if we keep squibbing our response to the climate emergency and let it get even more badly out of hand than it already is, the hypothetical question of which 90% ought to die first is going to be completely moot because there will come global ecological collapse and deaths on a scale never seen before in the multicellular community.
But be that as it may: I can't see any way to sustainable population self-control except via equitable wealth distribution and 100% renewable energy, so I don't see these aims as in any way opposed.
posted by flabdablet at 1:13 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Maybe they were crappy religion with insidious messages, but It's shitty for Uber-Xtians to bomb other religious messages. Like Bamiyan Buddhas. Not remotely comparable in terms of integrity or religion, value as art/ history, etc. Same intent, tho. We are heading in a bad, wrong direction.
Stable economies with education and health care tend to have lower birth rates. The planet is clearly not doing well with high western/ developed countries' birth rates. Reproductive choice and equality for women seem like a great idea.
posted by theora55 at 1:16 PM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
Stable economies with education and health care tend to have lower birth rates. The planet is clearly not doing well with high western/ developed countries' birth rates. Reproductive choice and equality for women seem like a great idea.
posted by theora55 at 1:16 PM on July 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
And I guess I can't fast-travel to Georgia now.
Side quests sucked anyway.
Long ago ran the sun on a folk who had a dream
And the heart and the will and the power.
posted by Flight Hardware, do not touch at 8:33 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Side quests sucked anyway.
Long ago ran the sun on a folk who had a dream
And the heart and the will and the power.
posted by Flight Hardware, do not touch at 8:33 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
This has been showing up on social media:
“Mystery Intensifies as Georgia Guidestones Time Capsule Opened by Elbert Officials- (Elberton, Ga)
Today officials with the Elbert County Historical Society, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and Federal Bureau of Investigation exhumed and opened the Georgia Guidestones Time Capsule.
"Now that the Guidestones have been destroyed, we felt it was appropriate to open the time capsule buried at the base of the monument," said Charles Smith, President of the Elbert County Historical Society. "We hoped its contents would help shed light on the builders of the monument."
Unfortunately the time capsule, which was buried early in 1980, did little to answer questions about the orgins of the Guidestones.
"The time capsule only held four items," explained Sheriff Melvin Andrews. "A single eight track tape of 'Saturday Night Fever', a Peterbilt emblem, a October 1979 Playboy magazine signed by Burt Reynolds, and a bag containing 1,734 Quallude pills."
"We really don't know what to make of this assemblage of items," said Charles Smith. "It will take weeks to determine the common thread that runs through these items."
"The current street value of the 1,500 Quallude pills is in the range of $2,000,000 USD," said Senior Agent Tom Hensley of the FBI.
"The Sheriff's Office has allowed the historical society to maintain control of the magazine, tape, and Peterbilt emblem but, the 1,300 Quallude pills will be placed in our evidence locker in Gainesville," said Mary Alexander with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
Sheriff Melvin Andrews added, "After testing, the GBI plans to release the 1,000 pills back to the Sheriff's Office, where they will be destroyed."
The public is being encouraged to submit any theories regarding the time capsule items to the Elbert County Historical Society, Elberton, Ga. Please email: chamber@elbertga.com
Northeast Georgian Online (July 7, 2022)”
posted by TedW at 2:28 PM on July 8, 2022 [2 favorites]
“Mystery Intensifies as Georgia Guidestones Time Capsule Opened by Elbert Officials- (Elberton, Ga)
Today officials with the Elbert County Historical Society, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and Federal Bureau of Investigation exhumed and opened the Georgia Guidestones Time Capsule.
"Now that the Guidestones have been destroyed, we felt it was appropriate to open the time capsule buried at the base of the monument," said Charles Smith, President of the Elbert County Historical Society. "We hoped its contents would help shed light on the builders of the monument."
Unfortunately the time capsule, which was buried early in 1980, did little to answer questions about the orgins of the Guidestones.
"The time capsule only held four items," explained Sheriff Melvin Andrews. "A single eight track tape of 'Saturday Night Fever', a Peterbilt emblem, a October 1979 Playboy magazine signed by Burt Reynolds, and a bag containing 1,734 Quallude pills."
"We really don't know what to make of this assemblage of items," said Charles Smith. "It will take weeks to determine the common thread that runs through these items."
"The current street value of the 1,500 Quallude pills is in the range of $2,000,000 USD," said Senior Agent Tom Hensley of the FBI.
"The Sheriff's Office has allowed the historical society to maintain control of the magazine, tape, and Peterbilt emblem but, the 1,300 Quallude pills will be placed in our evidence locker in Gainesville," said Mary Alexander with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
Sheriff Melvin Andrews added, "After testing, the GBI plans to release the 1,000 pills back to the Sheriff's Office, where they will be destroyed."
The public is being encouraged to submit any theories regarding the time capsule items to the Elbert County Historical Society, Elberton, Ga. Please email: chamber@elbertga.com
Northeast Georgian Online (July 7, 2022)”
posted by TedW at 2:28 PM on July 8, 2022 [2 favorites]
"Evidence locker". Right.
posted by bleep at 2:37 PM on July 8, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by bleep at 2:37 PM on July 8, 2022 [1 favorite]
Look, I don't know anything about anything so maybe I'll be surprised by the answer, but will someone please explain to me why a single quaalude would be worth upward of a thousand dollars. I'm sort of assuming the answer is "it wouldn't, this is horseshit police math because War On Drugs and big numbers are impressive", but maybe their status as a collectors item at this point has really juiced the market or something.
posted by cortex at 4:15 PM on July 8, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by cortex at 4:15 PM on July 8, 2022 [2 favorites]
After checking to make sure the Northeast Georgian Online isn't some sub-Onion parody site...
Alleged time capsule disproved
Alleged time capsule disproved
Despite the granite plaque at the Georgia Guidestones advertising a time capsule was allegedly buried at the site, there was no evidence of any buried history when digging occurred Friday morning.posted by CrystalDave at 4:19 PM on July 8, 2022 [4 favorites]
The Elbert County Road Department removed the plaque Friday morning and placed it on a truck to be transported to its new home at the Elberton Granite Museum.
After being removed, the department dug six feet in the ground below where the granite marker was placed as it described a time capsule being buried six feet below.
There was no evidence of previous digging as Georgia red clay was packed tightly at the bottom.
Elberton Granite Association Executive Vice President Chris Kubas said Friday morning that the granite marker was not placed at the site at the same time the Guidestones were unveiled in 1980. The marker included directions to the granite museum, which Kubas said did not exist until 1982.
Satirical rumors from a “Straight Talk Habersham” group claiming a time capsule was opened circulated social media Thursday evening before the location of the alleged time capsule was dug.
The information provided was false.
(hint, notice the number of pills reported decreasing as the article goes on)
The same person who wrote the joke article also authored, in the same group:
* Illuminati Leader Responds to Distruction of Beloved Georgia Guidestones Monument - (Bern, Switzerland)
* New Report Reveals Illegal CIA Experiments Have Link to Cornelia, Georgia Taco Bell - (Cornelia, Ga)
* BLM Protester Admits to Bombing Georgia Guidestones by Mistake: Blames GPS - (New York, New York)
* Troopers Asked to 'Slow Down Drive Home to Less Than 100mph' to Save Environment and Improve Fuel Efficiency - (Atlanta, Ga)
* University of Georgia Mascot Dead: Allergic Reaction to Yellow Jacket Attack in Savanah- (Athens, Ga)
* US Supreme Court Changes Direction Again: Mandatory Abortions for Those in Blue States.
(WASHINGTON, DC)
* Rebuilding the Fountain of Youth: Demorest to Gamble $21,000,000 on Demorest Springs- (Demorest, Ga)
* Habersham County Resident Protests Local Carwash Over Something Clearly His Fault -- (Cornelia, Ga)
posted by CrystalDave at 4:30 PM on July 8, 2022 [3 favorites]
The same person who wrote the joke article also authored, in the same group:
* Illuminati Leader Responds to Distruction of Beloved Georgia Guidestones Monument - (Bern, Switzerland)
* New Report Reveals Illegal CIA Experiments Have Link to Cornelia, Georgia Taco Bell - (Cornelia, Ga)
* BLM Protester Admits to Bombing Georgia Guidestones by Mistake: Blames GPS - (New York, New York)
* Troopers Asked to 'Slow Down Drive Home to Less Than 100mph' to Save Environment and Improve Fuel Efficiency - (Atlanta, Ga)
* University of Georgia Mascot Dead: Allergic Reaction to Yellow Jacket Attack in Savanah- (Athens, Ga)
* US Supreme Court Changes Direction Again: Mandatory Abortions for Those in Blue States.
(WASHINGTON, DC)
* Rebuilding the Fountain of Youth: Demorest to Gamble $21,000,000 on Demorest Springs- (Demorest, Ga)
* Habersham County Resident Protests Local Carwash Over Something Clearly His Fault -- (Cornelia, Ga)
posted by CrystalDave at 4:30 PM on July 8, 2022 [3 favorites]
By the way, Flight Hardware, we are friends now, hope that's okay.
posted by biogeo at 12:23 AM on July 9, 2022
posted by biogeo at 12:23 AM on July 9, 2022
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Last Week Tonight had a short web episode on the guidestones, noting that they were very likely paid for by Herbert Kersten, a doctor from Iowa and fan of white supremacist David Duke, which puts a darker spin on the already very questionable first two tenets of the guidestones, particularly the second one.
And which makes white supremacist opposition to the guidestones kind of ironic.
posted by jedicus at 11:37 AM on July 6, 2022 [52 favorites]