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MeFi post: Merde / Merda / Scheiße / Shit

I do think cautiously that the news is for the most part, acceptable. There was a prediction of a huge far-right surge but, except perhaps in France, it didn't really happen.

The new far-right parties that emerged from the Netherlands and Italy were because they destroyed their other far-right opponents (FvD and Lega) respectively. For the most part they didn't take votes from the Left and the Center/Right held.

So the EU parliament was... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by vacapinta at 3:05 AM on June 10, 2024

In the Netherlands, the left parties did not lose any seats. The gains for right-wing Geert Wilders' PVV came from cannibalizing his coalition partners and taking one seat from the even-worse-than-PVV FvD. Whether that result improves or hurts his relationship with those partners remains to be seen.
posted to MetaFilter by pmb at 2:50 AM on June 10, 2024

In Sweden anyway the election returns were more positive, with the Greens surpassing the far-right Swedish Democrats to become the third largest party represented at the parliament. This is the first election in over a decade that's seen support for SD diminish from previous performance.
posted to MetaFilter by St. Oops at 2:44 AM on June 10, 2024

MeFi post: not to praise, but bury -- one funeral at a time

I'm inclined to be sympathetic to the argument, but "the creation of an unequal nation" is really straining things. The US was unequal long before the yuppies arrived on the scene.

this is the graph that's normally cited, it's fairly convincing. . 1980s is when lots of stuff started going nuts.

Painters and Dockers: Die Yuppie... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Sebmojo at 3:04 PM on June 9, 2024

The Jane Fonda thing is kind of odd. Hanoi Jane? Really? I think she's barely living down that reputation, and mostly because the people who hated her so passionately are dead or senile.

nope - i had a nice little visit in the grand rapids vfw hall a year or two ago where they were having a cd and record show and all the urinals were nicely adorned with stickers of jane fonda that you could piss on - new ones, too

i don't believe they've forgotten one bit
posted to MetaFilter by pyramid termite at 2:36 PM on June 9, 2024

Making me proud of the car sticker I had: "Die Yuppie Scum"
posted to MetaFilter by anadem at 1:40 PM on June 9, 2024

And then she abandoned all that to get rich hawking aerobics videos. I would guess that's why the author would choose her as a central example of the yuppie takeover... that's essentially the defining characteristic. Hippies who put away their childish ideals and went capitalist.
posted to MetaFilter by team lowkey at 1:26 PM on June 9, 2024

The problem to this day is that the left is suspicious of success

What is success? It's certainly not synonymous with wealth, as much as the wealthiest want to convince us (and themselves) that it is.

How can any of us be called successful unless all of us succeed?

Exhibit #1
posted to MetaFilter by 2N2222 at 12:30 PM on June 9, 2024

Even better, there’s no yuppies now - a vanished group in terms of social standing and demographic.

Been to Brooklyn?
posted to MetaFilter by Thorzdad at 11:58 AM on June 9, 2024

I get the sense this book is a kind of weird stroll down revisionist nostalgia lane, in addition to pointing the finger at a socioeconomic demographic that doesn't really exist anymore, and was difficult to really pin down even at the time. There seems to be a failure to recognize that Reagan was elected with a broad coalition that included the support of lots of working class voters.

Some people like to extoll class solidarity, even if that... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by 2N2222 at 11:56 AM on June 9, 2024

there’s no yuppies now

On the contrary, IMO it's yuppies (or yuppie-wannabees) all the way down, now.


BTW sorry for my tarring Mondale with Dukakis' brush helmet - to quote Uncle Leo, "I'm old, I forget stuff!"
posted to MetaFilter by Rash at 11:18 AM on June 9, 2024

> And here was Reagan on TV with a model of the X-30 space-plane, telling us "Where we're going we won't need roads" so that was the one and only time I voted for the Republican candidate, sorry.

> Reagan was weak sauce as a conservative.

> These are broad international changes in the world economy which no national government could do much about. Yuppies were at most a symptom.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by kliuless at 11:08 AM on June 9, 2024

Here's an interesting question - who remembers that there was a visible 3rd party candidate in 1980?

Even though I was a teenager at the time I somehow acquired (and may still have buried in a box somewhere) a novelty election coin marked "Heads = vote Reagan/Tails = vote Carter/If it lands on its edge vote Anderson"

Gary Gerstle's The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order makes the case that Reagan and... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Pedantzilla at 10:58 AM on June 9, 2024

Even better, there’s no yuppies now - a vanished group in terms of social standing and demographic.

Barbara Ehrenreich called them the "professional managerial class" in her 1989 Fear of Falling, which situated them as something outside grist for the novelty book market. Catherine Liu's The Virtue Hoarders brings the concept into the 21st century. I think you could argue David Brooks spotted the same social current with Bobos in Paradise... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by mph at 10:57 AM on June 9, 2024

Reagan was weak sauce as a conservative.

Gary Gerstle's The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order makes the case that Reagan and Thatcher were profound manifestations of the neoliberal turn, but that Bill Clinton represents its real solidification and entrenchment, because, he reasons, you can't really gauge the potency or permanence of what he calls "political orders" until they compel a putative opponent to support them. He points to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by mph at 10:48 AM on June 9, 2024

Here's an interesting question - who remembers that there was a visible 3rd party candidate in 1980?

Yeah, my dad had a giraffe tie in support of John Anderson.
posted to MetaFilter by mph at 10:28 AM on June 9, 2024

Did you vote against Reagan, or didn't you

Here's an interesting question - who remembers that there was a visible 3rd party candidate in 1980? My parents both went 3rd party that year. I think they both went with Mondale in 1984.
posted to MetaFilter by EmpressCallipygos at 10:13 AM on June 9, 2024

Fritz looked silly in his helmet

Was that not Dukakis in '88?
posted to MetaFilter by mph at 10:10 AM on June 9, 2024

there was a club in town where the yuppies lined up and the music of course sucked. It was standard practice when cruising past to roll down the window and shout "fascists!!!!"

I don't think most of them knew the meaning of the word.
posted to MetaFilter by philip-random at 9:50 AM on June 9, 2024

I had a "Die Yuppie Scum" t-shirt in 1989 or so, but by then it was too late.
posted to MetaFilter by rikschell at 9:13 AM on June 9, 2024

Jane Fonda is specifically called out in "Kill the Poor" by the Dead Kennedys ("Jane Fonda on the screen today / convinced the liberals it's okay! / so let's get dressed and dance away the night") and I never knew what that was referencing, so now my curiosity is piqued.
posted to MetaFilter by Pope Guilty at 9:08 AM on June 9, 2024

MeFi post: Physical Dice vs. Digital Dice

Physical Dice vs. Digital Dice

Neither.
posted to MetaFilter by The Bellman at 9:56 AM on June 9, 2024

I played a bunch of Arkham Horror: the Card Game over zoom during COVID, and that game uses a bag of tokens for randomness (very cleverly, in my opinion). If I started up again, I’d probably use the token picker in the Arkham Cards app, just so all players could “draw.”
posted to MetaFilter by GenjiandProust at 9:27 AM on June 9, 2024

Physical dice when I'm not the DM. But digital for DMing—even if my players give me shit sometimes about never seeing me roll a die. Combat takes long enough without y'all sitting there watching me roll-and-math every opponent's attacks, damage, saves, and initiative manually.

It probably helps that for at least 15 years I've been using the same little dice-rolling Windows program (yes, old enough that it predates calling everything... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by CheesesOfBrazil at 6:02 AM on June 9, 2024

MeFi post: Let's launch some rockets!

I am very excited that groundbreaking stuff is happening in space in a way that has largely not been true for a long time. Starship has the potential to totally transform what is possible in space. I'm sure every spacecraft has some issues, but Starship, even if it were totally disposable, is already more transformational than something like the Space Shuttle, which was kind of doomed from the start. In my lifetime, most of the best space stuff has been telescopes and unmanned probes, and I... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by snofoam at 6:48 AM on June 7, 2024

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posted to MetaFilter by Brandon Blatcher at 5:48 AM on June 7, 2024

Someone pointed out the possibility of diving to the wreck of the booster. Imagine if the engine nozzles are intact. Wouldn't that be a trip.
posted to MetaFilter by other barry at 6:03 PM on June 6, 2024

But sometimes they hit London

A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now?
posted to MetaFilter by aramaic at 5:37 PM on June 6, 2024

they might end up having to build 20 of them to meet the launch needs

I read that the plan for the SpaceX factory is aiming for one new rocket a day. So a slow month.
posted to MetaFilter by sammyo at 3:34 PM on June 6, 2024

MeFi post: Friend-Shaped? More like Fiend-Shaped amirite?

Comedian Jacob Samuel came up in my feed to day, saying basically that you can have a children’s book Clifford the Big Red Dog but a big red cat is a very scary thing to imagine.
posted to MetaFilter by brachiopod at 3:09 PM on June 6, 2024

MeFi post: A thousand sceptic hands won't keep us from the things we plan

And the last gift that crept from Pandora’s jar…
posted to MetaFilter by clew at 8:39 AM on June 6, 2024

i appreciated the international scope of this study! hopeful that there is such a wide sample of positive future orientation; wondering about 'measures of socioeconomic status' [National Library of Medicine]
posted to MetaFilter by HearHere at 7:36 AM on June 6, 2024

Notice Brandon Blatcher thinking of how things could be better.
posted to MetaFilter by It is regrettable that at 6:51 AM on June 6, 2024

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posted to MetaFilter by Brandon Blatcher at 5:14 AM on June 6, 2024

MeFi post: "I Spent Three Years Talking to Boys. Here’s What I Found"

You can teach your boys to communicate emotionally, but it's going to suck for them when they grow up and find that "progressive" women view most of their displays of emotion as a threat.
posted to MetaFilter by tovarisch at 1:08 PM on June 6, 2024

I shouldn’t join parenting conversations when I’m not on the same path as other parents. I think everyone means well but I’ve wasted your time. I

A. you haven't wasted my time

B. I'm glad you spoke up.

I’m a millennial raised by a Silent Generation dad. I saw him cry once the morning my mom died.

We didn’t talk about it. My feelings got talked about all the time.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by philip-random at 12:22 PM on June 6, 2024

For the record, I don't think anyone is suggesting telling your 5-year-old son that you are an empty shell of a man who wasted his youth on pointless dreams only to stagger into middle age full of regrets, or, you know, whatever.

Someone upthread said "age appropriate" and that's the key. Your 5-year-old should know that you're sad when a pet dies or mad when you stub your toe. My son is 21 and we can talk about pretty much anything, including how shitty... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Ben Trismegistus at 12:19 PM on June 6, 2024

VTX, I was JUST debating whether to mention Mister Rogers here.

From the Mister Rogers website:

“Nobody knows what you’re thinking or feeling unless you tell them.” Young children think adults know everything – even what children are thinking or feeling. Mister Rogers helped us know that when we can talk about our feelings, others can understand us and help us find ways to manage.

Giving names to feelings is the first... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by kristi at 12:01 PM on June 6, 2024

I'm one of the younger Gen X folks and I have a four-year-old son. Also, I'm a Times subscriber (and share a lot of the major critiques of the paper), but planned to avoid this opinion piece when I saw it in the app. However, I have been following this thread pretty extensively and certainly share some of the feelings expressed about where men can feel comfortable talking about their feelings and needs in primarily online spaces. I am also not that fussed about that part of the conversation.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Captaintripps at 11:55 AM on June 6, 2024

1024 said he was leaving the thread for a bit, so I reached out to ask whether he happened to recall the book he mentioned - "I will never forget the absolutely earth-shattering book I read on men’s emotional vocabulary, or lack thereof. So, so much made sense after that" - and I asked if I could post the info here in the thread.

He graciously said yes - he had tracked down the book. It’s called “Raising Cain: Protecting the Emotional Life of Boys”, and 1024... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by kristi at 11:26 AM on June 6, 2024

This isn't a topic MetaFilter is going to be able to discuss well because part of the problem is an ideological inability to acknowledge the problem.

I have fond* memories of bringing my abusive girlfriend to a MeFi meetup when I was 23, having a moment where she said something really shitty and hurtful to me, and the moment I expressed feeling hurt by it, a MeFite basically took her in under her wing, so they could talk about... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Tom Hanks Cannot Be Trusted at 10:53 AM on June 6, 2024

God I will take all the grar in this and every other thread today as a blessing if one dad changes his child rearing style to one based on modelling emotional caretaking of oneself and others, rather than stoicism. If Metafilter does one thing right today, let it be this.
posted to MetaFilter by seanmpuckett at 10:25 AM on June 6, 2024

And I should add - this isn’t your *fault* that you feel this way, but it is *tragic*, and I beg you to reconsider so that your child doesn’t repeat this cycle of heartbreak.
posted to MetaFilter by corb at 10:04 AM on June 6, 2024

Apropos of nothing: the Awkward Yeti/Heart and Brain comic addresses these issues a lot, including this one (the one where the big scary Emotion comes sniffing around).
posted to MetaFilter by sockerpup at 8:08 AM on June 6, 2024

What's holding you back is the cop inside your head, not your women friends (again, unless they specifically told you to shut up, in which case, you need different friends). It's the patriarchy in your head which says, "no one wants to hear about my feelings".

Many women get very uncomfortable when men share their feelings even if they are not telling them actively to shut up. I have actively seen women react negatively to emotional... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by brook horse at 7:25 AM on June 6, 2024

Also, I think people aren't afraid of reading the room, they're afraid of getting it wrong, and then becoming judged as intentionally harmful. And again, the more time you spend in spaces like MeFi, the more time you're going to spend stories people tell of when someone failed to read the room and it harmed them. Who would want to cause harm?
posted to MetaFilter by sagc at 7:18 AM on June 6, 2024

When one of my sexual assailants, a former friend, decided to tell stories from my life on a text-based community message board, getting the details wrong, but still including my real first name and other identifiers, from behind a screen name, I was much too upset to be of much use at my peer support gig. I took my troubles to the local food banks’ peer support operation, where a male worker listened to me and then pointed out it would be so much worse for me if I wasn’t white and male.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Paddle to Sea at 7:16 AM on June 6, 2024

I hear you, The Monster at the End of of this Thread.

Sometimes - and especially if you spend a lot of time in spaces like the Emotional Labour thread, or Metafilter at large - it's very clearly communicated that the mere presence of a man with feelings is an imposition on others. To ask other people to interact with you is to place the burden of saying no on to them, and that, too, is an imposition. And the worst thing one can do is impose on... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by sagc at 7:05 AM on June 6, 2024

sockerpup, I don't want to pry, but if you feel like answering, I'd really like to know which one that was.

The Heart asks Pleasure—first—
And then—Excuse from Pain—
And then—those little Anodynes
That deaden suffering—

And then—to go to sleep—
And then—if it should be
The will of its Inquisitor
The privilege to die—
posted to MetaFilter by sockerpup at 6:47 AM on June 6, 2024

I’ve taught preschool myself, hard as it is to believe. I had a whole life before I adopted the persona of the engineer.

But upon review of the EL thread and this one I still get the message that men should take care of themselves and others if possible but not ask women for anything because they are done taking care of men. Also don’t ask them if they are done because even asking imposes emotional labor on them. It’s not their job to say no, it’s men’s job to not ask.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by The Monster at the End of this Thread at 6:21 AM on June 6, 2024