Activity from Tell Me No Lies

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posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 7:23 PM on March 19, 2024

How long will it take to spell 17th correctly?

Let’s see…
You can expect a reply at least twice a week.
Somewhere between 1-6 days I’m guessing.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:38 PM on January 17, 2024

how it sure looks to you like everyone's not working hard enough at their jobs and then lying to you about it, etc.

Trust, but verify.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:35 AM on January 22, 2024

For sure -- some of the persistent entitlement shown in these threads is, frankly, shocking.

The Persecutor—Victim—Rescuer dance is more of a whirlwind in these parts. Interesting to watch, but I wouldn’t want to be part of it.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:49 PM on January 22, 2024

This very clearly entails "it's absurd to pay staff".

Umm, not in English it doesn't.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 12:27 PM on January 23, 2024

I guess we're down to arguing about who's a native speaker of English? FWIW I'm not just that but professionally a linguist who studies meaning.

Ah, your usage was just too sophisticated for the rest of us.

And yes, people saying categorically silly things and defending them to the death is why these discussions suck. Nothing has changed in that regard.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 4:12 PM on January 23, 2024

Slow for everyone? Or just me?

I’ve always run mine with a two second delay between requests. It takes six days for a run but I’m pretty sure it’s completely in the noise.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:39 PM on January 6, 2024

Hiding posts?

Based on the last figures we've seen, about 500 more people every year are exercising their judgement and discretion by no longer clicking on Metafilter at all.

It has slowed down a bit.

Year Number of Mefi commenters ----- -------------------------------- 2018 6546 2019 6030 2020 5606 2021 4898 2022 4677 2023 4357
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 11:56 AM on November 23, 2023

That's like getting mad that some people don't read every thread.

No, it’s like being uncomfortable having a conversation where some people are pointedly ignoring the contributions of others.

You don’t have to join every conversation that happens, but when you do there is a point of view that you should be fully participating and not just chatting with the people you like.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 10:45 PM on November 23, 2023

The “eat your spinach” vibe

Perhaps the imperative of "if someone is uncomfortable we must modify the site to accommodate them" is beginning to wear thin.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:30 AM on November 24, 2023

I swear, I saw it with my own two eyes.....

I saw a deer trip.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 5:37 PM on November 14, 2023

One day while walking through a main square in Cologne I chanced across a group of people completely wrapping a young man in saran wrap. When they were done they shouldered their transparent mummy and sprinted down the steps into the nearest subway.

I mean, I sort of want to know? But really it's fine if that remains a mystery.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 7:43 PM on November 14, 2023

MetaFilter: The Quickening

If I understand the problem then raising it to a two post a day limit would probably be more satisfying for everyone involved. It would boil down to the same results as a 12 hour limit and would remove the clock-watching aspect.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 2:12 PM on October 11, 2023

the cool stuff takes more time to find, curate, flesh out and present, so in a way it is sort of naturally limiting in the quantity of posts.

On the other hand coming across cool stuff tends to happen all at once, and putting together multiple posts while they're in the mood may be more agreeable to people's actual process.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 4:21 PM on October 11, 2023

LOL...it's me! I'm the most prolific asker!

Almost certainly not. And anyway your questions are varied and interesting, which makes them of as much value as the answers they receive.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 5:18 PM on October 11, 2023

Perhaps they're waiting for the community to settle down one way or another. The mods are supposed to be benevolent dictators and rather than pushing the direction one way or another they're just waiting for a consensus to emerge.

Perhaps to satisfy bowbeacon's impatience they could periodically comment "We're listening".
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 10:22 AM on October 13, 2023

And for everyone: urgent expectations of someone you paid $5 to once are a bit strange.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 10:24 AM on October 13, 2023

Everyone’s requests matter, but getting responses in a matter of hours is something you pay quite a bit for from any organization. An insistence on getting service far beyond what any commercial enterprise regularly provides is setting yourself up for disappointment.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 1:30 PM on October 13, 2023

WTF did I just see?!

This thread has been up for 3 hours

linking to shitheads from MeFi amplifies them.

My what an urgent and important place this is.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:05 PM on October 7, 2023

MetaFilter has a real problem with voicing class genocidal attitudes

bloodlust for rich people

Open hatred of wealthy people has been a notable aspect of Metafilter since at least 2006 and probably for the whole history of the site.

For part of the Metafilter demographic possession of wealth inspires immediate, indiscriminate, and apparently visceral nastiness. I don’t think there is much hope of changing that situation.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:13 PM on June 20, 2023

And if we do have it, and moderators get rid of comments that don't fit the community guidelines, then why do we keep having this conversation over and over?

Members come and go, or change their minds, and the Community Guidelines need to represent the current community. Constantly reviewing the guidelines and how they are interpreted is a necessary part of having a working community.

"People who respect the law or love… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:44 PM on June 20, 2023

Add a new flag "Upsetting" that automatically *hides* the comment, right then immediatly.

The questionable comment would be hidden unless the reader has previously set themselves to a new per user setting "Thick Skinned"

Can we use "Calloused" instead?
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 7:04 AM on June 21, 2023

And if the "marginalized" users were run off, why do they appear to be a large portion of the (vastly-shrunken) user base now?

That kind of answers itself doesn't it? The site is now friendlier to marginalized users but doing so required changing the site experience. It's not to everyone's taste so people have left or aren't joining in the first place.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:38 AM on June 21, 2023

So, no, the rich are not and should not be a protected class, they cannot be discriminated against,

So the constant drumbeat of disdain for wealthy people isn’t discrimination because they their money somehow renders them immune from basic needs like connection and acceptance?

There are some things money can’t buy. In fact many would say that the most valuable things can’t be bought.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 11:58 AM on June 21, 2023

You guys had teams?
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:17 PM on June 24, 2023

Yeah, I don't see how folks reacting negatively to jokes about billionaires dying is empathy. They don't know the billionaires, their families, nor anyone close to them. Any "empathy" is based on imagined scenarios folks drummed up in their heads. You can empathize with your own invented fictions, but bringing it to a public forum as anything other than stated superstition is irresponsible.

Umm, human beings are human beings. When you… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 2:39 PM on June 25, 2023

Tell Me No Lies, you're not doing your credibility any favors by demonstrating my paranthetical.

Believe me when I tell you I have no illusions that you will have a sudden, dramatic shift in perspective as a result of reading this thread. But there may come a time when you are forced to re-evaluate what you feel and how you feel it, at which point you will be aware of a different possible way to approach things.

Or you won't. Either way, my work here is done.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:35 AM on June 26, 2023

What Should We Learn from Reddit?

If the question is about why fewer people come to MetaFilter, isn't that because Google search stopped showing AskMeta results as high as they used to, for some mysterious reason?

No. There was no sudden drop in new users associated with the Google change. The slowdown in new users was a gradual change over many years.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:35 PM on June 14, 2023

I think it's made worse because so many would fundamentally deny that it's true.

There is definitely a wide gap between Metafilter’s self image and the regular lack of kindness displayed here.

If I were to think of Metafilter as a single entity I would say that it is trying hard to be kind by following a list of rules but has never internalized the guiding principle.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 5:47 PM on June 15, 2023

Also known as hypervigilance.

Well the potential over-the-top response inspires hypervigilance, yes. I think that's what you meant?
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 12:01 PM on June 16, 2023

Israel Palestine posts

The context of this defacto policy is within a larger publishing world where articles related to these topics are routinely scrubbed from news sites

No it’s not. This isn’t a news publishing site, and if it were one it would be it would be the equivalent of someone stapling flyers to a very small number of telephone poles.

If the community wants to talk about I/P or is even capable of it is an interesting question, but let’s… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 1:51 AM on May 26, 2023

please consider content warnings for AI interaction

I don't think this is a good idea.

The Google search prompt has been backed by machine learning algorithms for at least 20 years. Bing is the same.

In 2017 my final project for a machine learning class was to gauge consumer sentiment for Nike based on a Twitter feed. Needless to say there were a lot of other feeds and topics I could have chosen. The data is all there.

In short, we are long past the time that AI became… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 3:38 PM on May 12, 2023

Oh, I suppose I should remind people that all the words ever written to Metafilter, including these ones right here, are being used to train LLMs.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:17 PM on May 12, 2023

If there isn't a hard and fast rule by which to decide who goes up in front of the firing squad and who doesn't, it's wrong to suggest that posters try to accommodate people's preferences. After all, someone could make an honest mistake and then have their entire life ruined.

If by ruined you mean ‘likely to become the target of a pointlessly acrimonious Metatalk thread’, then yes.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:01 PM on May 12, 2023

Is that at all helpful?

In a theoretical sort of way but I can’t find any posts in the last month that fit either of those categories.

I’m not trying to start a debate about it, but it would be good to see what post broke the camel’s back as well as other examples. Reading through a month of posts I feel like I’m having trouble discerning the type of post people would prefer to be marked.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:31 AM on May 13, 2023

I’m not trying to start a debate about it, but it would be good to see what post broke the camel’s back as well as other examples.

My apologies, the back-breaker was presented in this post.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 3:12 PM on May 13, 2023

if you want to be a conscientious community member

Yeah, this. This post (and its tags) asks for a trigger warning, which is a much higher level of responsibility than marking content or tagging. Several people have said "Oh, just don't do it if you don't like it" which as far as I am concerned is not an option for a trigger warning.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:07 AM on May 15, 2023

This argument has come up a few times in this thread and I can't tell if it's disingenuous or if commenters are genuinely conflating these things. Regardless: what I'm pretty sure the OP is referring to is AI-generated content.

There's no conflation. The internet is full of AI and that's going to continue full hog. For example real estate agents were very quick to adopt LLM to spit out property descriptions. I have no idea what on Zillow is human… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 9:13 AM on May 15, 2023

ChatGPT-filter

but that that should have been obvious

Eh, if you had told me what you were doing in advance I would’ve said “as long as you make it clear that’s what you’re doing it shouldn’t be too big a deal.”

I would’ve predicted that Metafilter users would not want ChatGPT posting, but I would not have predicted that running the experiment itself would be a huge controversy.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:02 AM on March 4, 2023

I also have ChatGPT fatigue, but at the same time I’m still fascinated to see the uses people are coming up with. Many of them (like this one) don’t work at all but that’s good too; when it first came out a lot of people were thinking "It’s magic! It can do anything!” and all this experimentation is giving us a good idea what the actual limits are.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:11 AM on March 4, 2023

Let's talk about mod deletion policy

I do not think comments should be deleted unless they are racist, sexist, or other -ist.

What is the underlying philosophy there? If the point is to not upset people unnecessarily it seems like a much larger array of activities should be addressed.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 3:06 PM on January 30, 2023

> Because I feel like they might regret doing that, and that would be sucky if everything was unrecoverable.

Anyone who tells you they can delete a comment from the internet is fooling themselves or trying to fool you. There are plenty of site snapshots around, starting with the Internet Archive.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 5:50 PM on January 31, 2023

what are we doing here other than yelling about things we have not been allowed (or should not be allowed, whatever) to understand?

Yelling about the fact that we have not been allowed (or should not be allowed?) to understand this and other things.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 8:26 AM on February 1, 2023

Years ago, there was an unofficial MeFi offshoot site, and one of their first rules was something like 'MetaFilter issues belong on MetaFilter, not here.' That sub seems to be the exact opposite of that.

And?
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 11:46 AM on February 1, 2023

people here gaslit Molly

gaslighting --
to manipulate (someone) using psychological methods into questioning their own sanity or powers of reasoning.

Just to be clear here is there a real accusation being made that people conspired to manipulate MR into questioning her own sanity? Because that's a pretty serious thing if so.

Or did people just not see the same things she saw and tell her that?
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 2:34 PM on February 1, 2023

But it’s unquestionable that people told her something that happened did not happen, with the clear implication (maybe even said outright; I don’t remember and obviously can’t go back to check) that she was fabricating this entirely factual phenomenon for attention. I do not object to pedantry; that dictionary definition is exactly what I’m alleging.

Thank you for the clarification. I was having trouble with context.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:31 AM on February 2, 2023

Ultimately we want people to feel they've been heard and their concerns addressed. It's the right thing to do.

Yes, but if possible it is good to find things you can quantify because then you can tell if you're making progress or not.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 6:46 AM on February 6, 2023

Moving Overton Window So Mefites Perceive Default Behavior as Recurring

For people calculating income: there are currently just under 1000 active commenters.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 4:22 PM on December 21, 2022

Minor correction, it's probably closer to 1200. While Mefi and AskMe each have 1000 commenters a week, it's not a 100% overlap.
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 5:27 PM on December 21, 2022

Regular commenters seems like a reasonable measure of engaged participants, but I would guess that more than that 1200 people have donated in the last year, a stat that I also think indicates engagement.

Yeah, as a stat it's really only useful as to how many people would be (if a mandatory recurring payment model was adopted) forced to pay if they wanted to remain as commenting members of the site.

And of course there are… [more]
posted to MetaTalk by Tell Me No Lies at 11:00 AM on December 22, 2022

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